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So it is for Secret of Evermore, a game reviled by the masses for the heinous acts it allegedly perpetrated upon its own Japanese cousin. Yet by all informed accounts, Evermore is completely innocent of misdeeds. Rather, the unfortunate victim of poor timing and ugly circumstance.

consider the case. Square USA, the western arm of SquareSoft, had found middling success publishing the best RPGs in America, but nothing rivaling the success those games enjoyed back home in Japan. The company was judicious in its selections of titles for localization, picking its best-looking and most accessible works. At the same time, it dabbled in the art of developing games specifically tailored to western tastes, though this unfortunately boiled down to nothing more than a couple of overly simplified and toothless bastardizations of Final Fantasy. First, Super NES masterpiece Final Fantasy IV was defanged in translation. Then the SaGa 3 team was tapped to create Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest, which would more appropriately have been subtitled First RPG.
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So it is for '''Secret of Evermore''', a game reviled by the masses for the heinous acts it allegedly perpetrated upon its own Japanese cousin. Yet by all informed accounts, Evermore is completely innocent of misdeeds. Rather, the unfortunate victim of poor timing and ugly circumstance.

consider the case. Square USA, the western arm of SquareSoft, had found middling success publishing the best RPGs in America, but nothing rivaling the success those games enjoyed back home in Japan. The company was judicious in its selections of titles for localization, picking its best-looking and most accessible works. At the same time, it dabbled in the art of developing games specifically tailored to western tastes, though this unfortunately boiled down to nothing more than a couple of overly simplified and toothless bastardizations of '''[[Final Fantasy]]'''. First, Super NES masterpiece '''[[Final Fantasy IV]]''' was defanged in translation. Then the '''[[Issue14FinalFantasyLegendIII | SaGa 3]]''' team was tapped to create '''[[MysticQuest | Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest]]''', which would more appropriately have been subtitled First RPG.
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Ultimately, the company found its best luck with Secret of Mana, the secret sequel to Game Boy classic Final Fantasy Adventure. Originally positioned as a Final Fantasy spin-off, the Seiken Densetsu, or Sword shed its Final Fantasy trappings for the sequel, adopting a new eight-element magic system and leveling mechanics that were based as much on how frequently characters used their available weapons and spells as it was on raw experience. Seiken Densetsu only real connection to its heritage was the presence of moogles as a status condition, and Square USA bravely published the game without reference to Final Fantasy, a first for the company (which had brazenly tried to pass off not only the the original Seiken as a Final Fantasy game, but the first three SaGa titles as well).

American audiences loved it
. While it a blockbuster success on the level of something like Street Fighter II, the game sold well and earned vocal acclaim for the way it added RPG-like depth and narrative to the Legend of action-RPG template. It was a gradual hit, selling steadily despite being a victim of the Super NES-era RPG tax that hit large-capacity carts with a $10 dose of sticker shock. Mana was a game that created Square fans in America, as suddenly the name was attached to something besides Final Fantasy (and a handful of woeful NES titles best forgotten).

Needless to say, when first screens emerged of sequel, called Seiken Densetsu 3,
the newfound American fanbase pegged it as a shoo-in for localization. And it was an exciting-looking game at that. The visuals were drop-dead gorgeous, bursting with detail and color that seemed almost too good to belong to a 16-bit title, and the design sounded intriguingly complex: Players could select three of six different heroes per play, each representing a different nation of the world, and the plot would vary wildly for every different team. Everyone waited... and waited... and waited....
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Ultimately, the company found its best luck with '''[[SecretOfMana | Secret of Mana]]''', the secret sequel to Game Boy classic '''[[Issue14FinalFantasyAdventure | Final Fantasy Adventure]]'''. Originally positioned as a Final Fantasy spin-off, the series -- aka '''Seiken Densetsu''', or Sword -- quickly shed its Final Fantasy trappings for the sequel, adopting a new eight-element magic system and leveling mechanics that were based as much on how frequently characters used their available weapons and spells as it was on raw experience. Seiken Densetsu only real connection to its heritage was the presence of moogles as a status condition, and Square USA bravely published the game without reference to Final Fantasy, a first for the company (which had brazenly tried to pass off not only the the original Seiken as a Final Fantasy game, but the first three '''SaGa''' titles as well).

American audiences loved it. While it a blockbuster success on the level of something like '''[[Issue14StreetFighterII | Street Fighter II]]''', the game sold well and earned vocal acclaim for the way it added RPG-like depth and narrative to the '''[[G5-TheLegendOfZelda | Legend of Zelda]]''' action-RPG template. It was
a gradual hit, selling steadily despite being a victim of the Super NES-era RPG tax that hit large-capacity carts with a $10 dose of sticker shock. Mana was a game that created Square fans in America, as suddenly the name was attached to something besides Final Fantasy (and a handful of woeful NES titles best forgotten).

Needless to say, when first screens emerged of sequel, called '''Seiken Densetsu 3'''
, the newfound American fanbase pegged it as a shoo-in for localization. And it was an exciting-looking game at that. The visuals were drop-dead gorgeous, bursting with detail and color that seemed almost too good to belong to a 16-bit title, and the design sounded intriguingly complex: Players could select three of six different heroes per play, each representing a different nation of the world, and the plot would vary wildly for every different team. Everyone waited... and waited... and waited....
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...and that patience was finally rewarded when Square announced a game called Secret of Evermore. But to surprise, Evermore Seiken Densetsu 3 with a new name. No, it was a completely new game, developed in the U.S. specifically for the American market. Meanwhile, next-gen systems like Saturn, PlayStation, and Ultra 64 loomed large on the horizon, meaning the window for the arrival of of Mana was terribly growing narrower with each passing issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly that failed to bring an announcement.

The truth of the situation seemed obvious to burgeoning fanbase of amateur detectives. Obviously, this was all a sign that Square thought American fans good enough for the real sequel to Mana, so we had to settle for a shoddy ersatz imitation instead. This the first time Square had pulled such shenanigans, after all! Even if you were willing to forgive Mystic Quest, there was still the time they localized thoroughly mediocre Breath of Fire right square in the middle of the launch window where Final Fantasy V should have shown up. No, clearly Square hated American gamers. And those gamers transferred that perceived contempt in turn onto the substitute sequel to Mana.
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...and that patience was finally rewarded when Square announced a game called Secret of Evermore. But to surprise, Evermore Seiken Densetsu 3 with a new name. No, it was a completely new game, developed in the U.S. specifically for the American market. Meanwhile, next-gen systems like Saturn, PlayStation, and Ultra 64 loomed large on the horizon, meaning the window for the arrival of of Mana was terribly growing narrower with each passing issue of ''Electronic Gaming Monthly'' that failed to bring an announcement.

The truth of the situation seemed obvious to burgeoning fanbase of amateur detectives. Obviously, this was all a sign that Square thought American fans good enough for the real sequel to Mana, so we had to settle for a shoddy ersatz imitation instead. This the first time Square had pulled such shenanigans, after all! Even if you were willing to forgive Mystic Quest, there was still the time they localized thoroughly mediocre '''[[Breath of Fire]]''' right square in the middle of the launch window where '''[[G641-FinalFantasyV | Final Fantasy V]]''' should have shown up. No, clearly Square hated American gamers. And those gamers transferred that perceived contempt in turn onto the substitute sequel to Mana.
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Over time, become clear that the latter was far more likely the case. Seiken Densetsu 3 was among the first games to receive a fan translation, and Neil localization crew was fairly open about the difficulty of that process. SD3 was a huge game on a cramped cartridge, and the Japanese benefiting from the density of kanji a custom compression system that would have made it practically impossible for a localized version of the game to fit within the confines of the ROM without the removal of massive chunks of content. The simple fact is that SD3 was likely never intended for localization, because the process would have been impossible.
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Over time, become clear that the latter was far more likely the case. Seiken Densetsu 3 was among the first games to receive a fan translation, and Neil localization crew was fairly open about the difficulty of that process. SD3 was a huge game on a cramped cartridge, and the Japanese version -- already benefiting from the density of kanji text -- employed a custom compression system that would have made it practically impossible for a localized version of the game to fit within the confines of the ROM without the removal of massive chunks of content. The simple fact is that SD3 was likely never intended for localization, because the process would have been impossible.
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The games vary in significant ways. Evermore is a much more linear title than its predecessor, requiring very little backtracking as the unnamed hero travels through different eras of history. The plot also has considerably less gravitas than post-apocalyptic tale of a war over the source of the magic; ultimately about little more than a boy and his dog trying to find their way home. It even have a Final Fantasy Tactics Advance-style twist that transforms the protagonist into an ambiguous villain. No, the bad guy is a skinny, bald man with a Snidely Whiplash mustache and a tendency to monologue, which tidily sweeps away any doubts about his role with all the subtlety of a post-WWII B-movie.

Which was an intentional connection, actually. Square USA took their mandate to create a product for the U.S. audience with impressive literalism, heaping a slew of Americana on the game. The hero is a pop culture junkie, constantly dropping references to fake sci-fi films of the . They get old pretty quickly, but they do highlight one of more impressive features: an extensive, self-referential script in a 16-bit RPG. Admittedly, by 1995, Working Designs was already dropping Bill Clinton references in their localizations, but even with its corny plotline, Evermore was a bit more delicate than that. The bulk of the script was coherent, detailed, and about as intelligent as your better brand of Saturday morning cartoon. NPCs frequently broke the fourth wall, ridiculous fake film heroes were name-dropped, and the whole thing read a hell of a lot more intelligently than its peers. Granted, it was contemporaneous with Breath of Fire II and Lufia II, so a bit of damning it with faint praise. Think of it this way: Much of Evermore was scripted by Final Fantasy VI/Chrono Trigger localizer Ted Woolsey. Now imagine the punchy dialogue and winking jokes of those games freed from the constraints of being crammed into a ROM designed for text in a much more compact language. Evermore, for better or worse.
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The games vary in significant ways. Evermore is a much more linear title than its predecessor, requiring very little backtracking as the unnamed hero travels through different eras of history. The plot also has considerably less gravitas than post-apocalyptic tale of a war over the source of the magic; ultimately about little more than a boy and his dog trying to find their way home. It even have a '''[[G67-FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance | Final Fantasy Tactics Advance]]'''-style twist that transforms the protagonist into an ambiguous villain. No, the bad guy is a skinny, bald man with a Snidely Whiplash mustache and a tendency to monologue, which tidily sweeps away any doubts about his role with all the subtlety of a post-WWII B-movie.

Which was an intentional connection, actually. Square USA took their mandate to create a product for the U.S. audience with impressive literalism, heaping a slew of Americana on the game. The hero is a pop culture junkie, constantly dropping references to fake sci-fi films of the . They get old pretty quickly, but they do highlight one of more impressive features: an extensive, self-referential script in a 16-bit RPG. Admittedly, by 1995, Working Designs was already dropping Bill Clinton references in their localizations, but even with its corny plotline, Evermore was a bit more delicate than that. The bulk of the script was coherent, detailed, and about as intelligent as your better brand of Saturday morning cartoon. NPCs frequently broke the fourth wall, ridiculous fake film heroes were name-dropped, and the whole thing read a hell of a lot more intelligently than its peers. Granted, it was contemporaneous with Breath of Fire II and Lufia II, so a bit of damning it with faint praise. Think of it this way: Much of Evermore was scripted by '''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'''/'''[[2-ChronoTrigger | Chrono Trigger]]''' localizer Ted Woolsey. Now imagine the punchy dialogue and winking jokes of those games freed from the constraints of being crammed into a ROM designed for text in a much more compact language. Evermore, for better or worse.
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Ultimately, Evermore some dark usurper. just another imperfect chapter in ongoing efforts to seduce American audiences. As far as those efforts go, Evermore is one of the better attempts, ranking up with Parasite Eve, and definitely a step above the likes of Mystic Quest and Final Fantasy IV: Imbecile Mode. The tragedy of it all is that Square has been at its most successful in America when it give a slap about scoring a hit over here. Final Fantasy VI-VIII, Chrono Trigger, Xenogears: Those are the Square games American fans love most, projects ultimately designed without regard for global franchising. almost as though gamers love quality work, not marketing strategies. Go figure.

If nothing else, Evermore makes an interesting contrast to the recent Front Mission Evolved. Both were derived from existing franchises by Western developers in an attempt to cater to American audiences. Yet Evermore was imitative, dressing up the mechanics, interface, and format of Secret of Mana with a story and atmosphere intended to appeal to U.S. players. Evolved abandons the mechanical and narrative depth for which the Front Mission series is known in favor of a callow action game with a familiar name stamped on it.
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Ultimately, Evermore some dark usurper. just another imperfect chapter in ongoing efforts to seduce American audiences. As far as those efforts go, Evermore is one of the better attempts, ranking up with '''Parasite Eve''', and definitely a step above the likes of '''Mystic Quest''' and '''Final Fantasy IV: Imbecile Mode'''. The tragedy of it all is that Square has been at its most successful in America when it give a slap about scoring a hit over here. Final Fantasy VI-'''VIII''', Chrono Trigger, '''Xenogears''': Those are the Square games American fans love most, projects ultimately designed without regard for global franchising. almost as though gamers love quality work, not marketing strategies. Go figure.

If nothing else, Evermore makes an interesting contrast to the recent '''Front Mission Evolved'''. Both were derived from existing franchises by Western developers in an attempt to cater to American audiences. Yet Evermore was imitative, dressing up the mechanics, interface, and format of Secret of Mana with a story and atmosphere intended to appeal to U.S. players. Evolved abandons the mechanical and narrative depth for which the Front Mission series is known in favor of a callow action game with a familiar name stamped on it.

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'''[[Main | Games]] | [[MainSNES | Super NES]] | Secret of Evermore'''

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''Developer:'' Square USA\\
''Publisher:'' SquareSoft\\
''U.S. Release:'' Oct. 1995\\
''Format:'' Super NES
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Secret of Evermore never even had a chance.



Yet the question remains: Was Secret of Evermore really an assassin? Did it truly usurp the proper Mana 2 in order to further some dark agenda? Or is it simply misunderstood?

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If nothing else, Evermore makes an interesting contrast to the recent Front Mission Evolved. Both were derived from existing franchises by Western developers in an attempt to cater to American audiences. Yet Evermore was imitative, dressing up the mechanics, interface, and format of Secret of Mana with a story and atmosphere intended to appeal to U.S. players. Evolved abandons the mechanical and narrative depth for which the Front Mission series is known in favor of a callow action game with a familiar name stamped on it.

Sincere imitation versus soulless impersonation? Frankly, I liked the old way better.

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